chuckles [aside]what a java nub[/aside]

I mean, you can use the Java language, or JRuby, or Groovy, Jython, etc when you're using Java platform. I think that's what mpiechotka meant.

And about your hierarchy thingy, here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=programmer+hierarchy&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

Am a Java developer BTW, and I admit my inferiority and nubness when it comes to programming. (If you even consider doing Java as programming!) Maybe that's why I'm closer to being a nerd and than a geek.